33 thoughts on “I pledge allegiance

  1. Theophrastus says:

    The date on your post is June 4th? JUNE 4th? Certainly your post is exactly one month too early.

    PS: You are allowing Canadian residents to comment on this Bible?

  2. Michael Nicholls says:

    Is this an attempt to get around the very upsetting fact (as discussed in many of my seminary classes) that America is indeed not mentioned in the Bible?

    Sorry if I’ve burst anyone’s bubble.

    😉

  3. Dan says:

    When Greg Boyd’s review came out, it was the same time that a survey on torture came out. The survey showed that a majority of evangelical Christians favored the use of torture.

    This Bible and that survey are both disturbing trends.

  4. Melody says:

    That is truly tragic. While America has always had a Christian majority, it has never been a theocracy! If they were going to talk about how “Christian” the nation is, they should have just published a book. Scoping the Bible for nationalist undertones and using it to promote that agenda is dangerous at best.

  5. Doug Chaplin says:

    Is this like the Photoshop Bible? 🙂

    I think it kind of illustrates the problem.If this was the Bible’s American Patriot, rather than the American Patriot’s Bible, then it might change things for the better.

  6. Theophrastus says:

    Michael Nicholls: Is this an attempt to get around the very upsetting fact (as discussed in many of my seminary classes) that America is indeed not mentioned in the Bible?

    That unfortunate situation is remedied in the sequel to this book: The American Patriot’s Bible Part 2: The Book of Mormon

  7. David Ker says:

    I was interested to discover another patriot’s Bible from 1643:

    “The soldiers pocket Bible. Issued for the use of the army of Oliver Cromwell. (Original title-page) The soldier’s pocket Bible, containing the most (if not all) of those places contained in the Holy Scripture, wich do show the qualifications of the inner that is a fit soldier to fight the Lord’s battles, both before the fight, in the fight, and after the fight; which Scriptures are reduced to several heads, and fitly applied to the soldier’s several occasions, and so may supply the want of the whole Bible, wich a soldier cannot conveniently carry about him; and may be also useful for any Christian to meditate upon, now in this miserable time of war.” source And here is an urban legend about one of these Bibles stopping a bullet.

  8. Peter Kirk says:

    1643 Patriot’s Bible or rebel’s Bible? It depended in those days if King or Parliament was the focus of one’s patriotism. But I don’t suppose King Charles’ party made much use of Bibles, except perhaps to quote Romans 13.

  9. Theophrastus says:

    Peter, yes, the Cromwell Bible was issued to the New Model Army, which as you know recruited Puritans who, under the Generalship of Oliver, sang psalms as they marched into battle.

    Religious imagery was used throughout — thus what I think is the first appearance of the Soldier’s Catechism; although the US Army would eventually learn to use the same terminology.

  10. Michael Nicholls says:

    “That unfortunate situation is remedied in the sequel to this book: The American Patriot’s Bible Part 2: The Book of Mormon”

    Thanks for that Theo. I laughed out loud. 🙂

  11. ChristianSoldier says:

    Here on the anniversary of a day that God’s providential will intervened in is a wonderful opportunity to enjoy the Christian Heritage of this once fine nation. A Bible that allows us to overlay history from a biblical perspective provides evidence of the undeniable guiding hand that this nation once enjoyed. It would do us all well to understand this as believers.

    Being patriotic to the point of intolerance is not what we are about. A visit to Normandy and the European battlefields of that terrible era show the true nature of our once proud Nation’s desire to free the world of tryanny. This Bible will be proudly displayed, dog eared and broken spined. God Bless the USA.

  12. Dru says:

    As a native English speaker who is not a US citizen (yes, Christian Soldier, we do exists; there are over 100M of us, our fathers were on the beaches on 6th June 1944 as well and right through from 3rd September 1939 rather than December 1941), I find this version of the Bible and the youtubes selling it very disturbing. Obviously, I am patriotic to a quite different drum. But, it is very reassuring to read most of the comments here, on Eugene Cho’s website and elsewhere, and to find that there are a lot of people who both are patriotic Americans and clearly find this disturbing for similar reasons to mine.

  13. donkeytalk says:

    I’m sad to say that, as an Australian, I live in a country that was only claimed in 1770, settled from 1788 and declared a nation in 1901. With such a paucity of history – not to mention a complete lack of home-grown wars – we may never earn the right to our own Fair Dinkum Bible for Patriotic Aussies.
    That may not be a bad thing. It would probably use the CEV as a base text, smell of stale beer, appear to be possessed of a couple of coffee-rings and be printed on roll-yer-own cigarette paper. No Australian would buy such an obvious piece of kitch, although a fortune might be made flogging them off to tourists.
    Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.

    Incidentally, who on Earth IS Thomas Nelson’s target audience?

  14. Theophrastus says:

    Donkeytalk — Don’t be making fun of Americans. I just have six words for you:

    Pauline Hanson

    Pauline Hanson

    Pauline Hanson

    Need I remind you that your monarch (who lives on a far-away island) is the head of her own Church. Bonus — one of the few ways the monarch can be dethroned is if s/he marries a Catholic.

    PS: Learn from your leaders and do what American patriots tell you to do. Like John Howard. And Rudd can’t wait to send more folks to the Afghanistan.

  15. Theophrastus says:

    In response to some e-mail I have received:

    All of the comments I have made to this post have been satiric (I’ll leave it to the pair-o’-docs crowd to figure out if this remark applies to this post). Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.

  16. Michael Nicholls says:

    Theophrastus:
    Just as Shakespeare managed to write entire plays and poems without smiley faces, I similarly try to leave them out of my own comments.

    But sometimes it saves us having to write explanations of our misunderstood intent. Unless this comment, too, was satiric, in which case, you got me. 😉 🙂 😀 rofl lololol!!!!!!!11one

    That was supposed to be satiric. 🙂

    Moral: you came from Puritan stock, we came from convicts.

    I’d like to add: You fought for your freedom. They were trying to get rid of us. 😉 (<–fellow convict)

    A Bible that allows us to overlay history from a biblical perspective provides evidence of the undeniable guiding hand that this nation once enjoyed

    I’m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don’t see how it’s ‘evidence of the undeniable guiding hand’.

  17. donkeytalk says:

    Theo –

    Certainly, having a sovereign who will eventually be replaced by a man such as Charles brings no comfort… At the very least, we Sydney Anglicans will no longer live in fear of people talking in tongues, and will live in fear of a man who talks to plants. At least Rowan Williams will have someone to talk to.

    As a (possibly) amusing aside to English royalty being the Head of the Church, the title of Defender of the Faith was given to Henry VIII by, of all people, the Pope for the suppression of English translations of the Bible. As a descendent of such messes, I haven’t inherited the right to mock anyone. But since I grew up on a diet of Steve Taylor and the Wittenburg Door…

  18. folk notions says:

    Posted this comment by mistake in a post on the KJV…

    Thomas Nelson publishes the American Patriot Bible and half of Brian McLaren’s catalog?

    Huh…

  19. ChristianSoldier says:

    Michael Nichols
    “I’m not entirely sure what overlaying history from a biblical perspective means. Is it comparing US history with biblical principles? Or comparing biblical history with US history? For now I don’t see how it’s ‘evidence of the undeniable guiding hand’.”

    First, my understanding is that this is a Christian Blog, maybe I am mistaken. If it is not, understanding predestination God’s providential involvement with the fulfillment of His design regardless of our mechanations is not possible to explain. A study of John Calvin will help, but again as Paul tells us to understand God we must have the Spirit of God.

    From the beginning God has used whatever historcal events to fulfill His will. Abraham’s rescue of Lot, the first known instance of the “just war” concept. The Patriarchs, Judges and Kings are story after story of God’s intervention. Even when we try to stray and change history the outcome will always be as God wills. In Daniel even the Antichrist will try to change appointed times and Holidays, but to what avail? He is still destroyed.

    God has used Nations for his will regardless of their interpretation of His soverign will. Meaning, that he used Babylon to punish Israel and correct ther behavior. In the same sense He uses our Nation (or at least did) to punish those who attempted to harm Israel. It is no coincidence that Israel became a Nation once again in 1948! Granted we may have had other national motives but this is still God’s providential leading.

    As far as our Nation is concerned, if we are watchmen on the tower as Ezekiel speaks of or Berean’s as Paul challenges us to be, testing everything against the truth of His Word, then Brother we are blessed and nay continue to be used without being destroyed ourelves. But continuing on the hedonistic, destructive path we are right now, it appears the fate of Babylon will be ours as well.

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